Possible problem with the first issue of Archie's Megaman X.

[ThanatosZero]

Not many may know this, but the first reploid created by Dr. Cain was actually Sigma.
What does that mean for us?

This!

This is not how I remembered Sigma

This guy, needs to be retconed as soon as possible into Sigma because the offical sources state him as the very first reploid ever created, if you do not count X and Zero.

Mega Man Xtreme Walk-trough (ロックマン X サイバーミッション 完全攻略 ガイド, Rokkuman X Saibaa Misshon Kanzen Kouryaku Gaido) According to this guide released by Haoh Magazine (Haoh Game Special 185), if you exclude X and Zero as Repliroids, Sigma, whom Dr. Cain created, was the first Repliroid.

Compendium of Rockman X
Using the data from the blue robot called X as his base, Dr. Cain manufactures Sigma. A robot born with the highest abilities, without comparison from all prior robots. The general term for that robot became known as "repliroid."

[Quallevra]

Well, either Sigma got a heck of a makeover when the Hunters were formed, or else he isn't the oldest in THIS continuity.  (They're also sinking my personal theory that that original argument was over whose job it was to do the dishes.)

[Otaku]

First thing to ask is "Does Sigma being the very first reploid make the story better, worse, or have no significant imapct?". Follow that with "What benefits and drawbacks come from forcing the comic to retcon itself for this point?" Lastly consider "Why should robotic beings have their appearance restricted?"

I mean for all we know that really could be Sigma as he originally was; the beefy bald guy look might be "post upgrades" or something. Personally I always preferred the reason why robots whose template was based off Dr. Light's ultimate attempt at a "truly human" robot look like beasts was either the reploid's form was already going to look inhumane, so this had less of an "uncanny valley" thing happening, or that this is just how reploids attempt to distinguish themselves. If there is resentment towards being treated as "just machines", it also makes a weird sort of sense for reploids to alter their appearance to still be forms of organic life by not standard human life.

[ThanatosZero]

Sigma is a expy of and hommage to Braiking Boss from Neo Human Casshern, who was the first sentient robot and the first to revolt against humanity. To not make him the first reploid of Dr. Cain ruins the reference.

Also it would be a shocking reveal for the readers, that Sigma used to look like this first, before his appearance changed to a bald guy.

[Zan]

if you exclude X and Zero as Repliroids, Sigma, whom Dr. Cain created, was the first Repliroid.

As I learned just recently, this should read "number one Repliroid / Repliroid number one." While possible to interpret as "first", it's probably best interpreted as "best" or "strongest". In other words, he's second only to X and Zero.

Using the data from the blue robot called X as his base, Dr. Cain manufactures Sigma. A robot born with the highest abilities, without comparison from all prior robots. The general term for that robot became known as "repliroid."

While it may or may not have been the Compendium that said this (gotta reconfirm it), this text only asserts that robots like Sigma (with the highest abilities, without comparison from all prior robots) are called Repliroids. This corresponds well with the first Repliroid having "unlimited strength and intelligence": a trait most obvious in Sigma himself but also the cornerstone of his philosophy of Repliroid evolution.

[A-Guest]

The whole thing about the X saga sounds completely odd to me in comparison to the ingame story.

That reploid created by Dr.Cain with the help of X is one thing but then there's also another, the crossover between Rock and X.
It's said both of them have to fight of Wily's creations, I suppose this would make it ZERO as there's no way Bass could have become strong enough to beat both MegaMen.
Not to mention Rock has beaten up his clone twice before in the comics.

Sure they will probably make the whole thing off-canon again as they did so with "Rock of Ages" and "When Worlds Collide" (at least for the Blue Bomber's part) already but it still feels odd.

[Otaku]

Yay! Zan with more info! I missed that. XD

A-Guest: Does it say they fought Wily's creations "together", or just that they both fought them? I haven't played Maverick Hunter X or X games after X6: if it was together, could it have been before X was put into storage? There seem to be numerous options since the scenario includes Time Travel (by both Light and Wily bots), as well as anything (not necessarily one of Wily's more advanced creations) just surviving well after his death, and the humans needing X to put it down before there were enough other Reploids to do it. I mean, I think the idea is that much of Wily's territory (what are the Stages we play through in games) are self-sustaining or possibly self-expanding. It could be that Thermal Man (...that's supposed to be made up, but between fangames and obscure titles...) is kicking it around in his geothermal layer kept too hot for humans to safely function in, let alone conduct war. So an early X assignment with his X buster that put the old Rock Buster to shame is to clear out this "left over".

[Aaron]

Well, issue 34 is out now, and with it, the 5-page mini story introducing the X storyline.  If you have MMX's instruction manual on hand, you'll see that the script is almost word-for-word the first part of the story provided within.  (discovery of X's capsule and building the first reploid)  Nothing is said thus far about Sigma or the Maverick Hunters.  Those are, apparently, coming in the next issue.

[nickcider]

Yes, this sounds a bit confusing however I do believe that according to the Mega Man Knowledge Database, the Archie Comics series has a totally different continuity.

[A-Guest]

Feb 23, 2014 19:27:39 GMT Otaku said:

A-Guest: Does it say they fought Wily's creations "together", or just that they both fought them? I haven't played Maverick Hunter X or X games after X6: if it was together, could it have been before X was put into storage? There seem to be numerous options since the scenario includes Time Travel (by both Light and Wily bots), as well as anything (not necessarily one of Wily's more advanced creations) just surviving well after his death, and the humans needing X to put it down before there were enough other Reploids to do it. I mean, I think the idea is that much of Wily's territory (what are the Stages we play through in games) are self-sustaining or possibly self-expanding. It could be that Thermal Man (...that's supposed to be made up, but between fangames and obscure titles...) is kicking it around in his geothermal layer kept too hot for humans to safely function in, let alone conduct war. So an early X assignment with his X buster that put the old Rock Buster to shame is to clear out this "left over".

Now, from what I got from the news at the mainpage, it sounds to me like they'll still have to face off one of Wily's creations.
Again, what other great forces does Wily have other than Bass and ZERO to counter MegaMen?

Not so much probably but then again, as this story will feature time travel as also pointed out by you, changes are that we might also see the modified Rocks from the future, Quint and/or R-Shadow, so who really knows?

Speaking of their strength however, I wouldn't call X a complete superior model to Rock in terms of power.
I often like to recall Rockman Online when it comes to this, as X had just as much of a hard time fighting Airman as Rock did.

In anyway, this crossover is looking interesting to me, just as much as "When Worlds collide" which I really enjoyed.

@nickcider

It definitely has.
Just take SAR for example which shouldn't happen any time before Rockman4 or, if you want to stay with western released games for the sake of understandability, look at the original GameBoy series that actually takes place in between various NES titles but probably also will get an extra spotlight similar to what GigaMix has done.

Having the ingame story in mind the comic really gets confusing at times but still is good at story telling, in fact, much better than the games (well, with the exception for SAR perhaps which felt totally rushed to me).

[Otaku]

Mar 5, 2014 19:26:16 GMT A-Guest said:

Feb 23, 2014 19:27:39 GMT Otaku said:

A-Guest: Does it say they fought Wily's creations "together", or just that they both fought them? I haven't played Maverick Hunter X or X games after X6: if it was together, could it have been before X was put into storage? There seem to be numerous options since the scenario includes Time Travel (by both Light and Wily bots), as well as anything (not necessarily one of Wily's more advanced creations) just surviving well after his death, and the humans needing X to put it down before there were enough other Reploids to do it. I mean, I think the idea is that much of Wily's territory (what are the Stages we play through in games) are self-sustaining or possibly self-expanding. It could be that Thermal Man (...that's supposed to be made up, but between fangames and obscure titles...) is kicking it around in his geothermal layer kept too hot for humans to safely function in, let alone conduct war. So an early X assignment with his X buster that put the old Rock Buster to shame is to clear out this "left over".

Now, from what I got from the news at the mainpage, it sounds to me like they'll still have to face off one of Wily's creations.
Again, what other great forces does Wily have other than Bass and ZERO to counter MegaMen?

For whatever reason, I still cannot get the main site to load on my computer, so I have no idea what it says unless its the part I can read in a Google Search.  I guess my question is "What kind of threat is it?"  Remember that just because Mega Man is almost always fighting on his own in the video games, doesn't mean that Rock, X, or anyone else (I can't tell if by they you mean Rock and X, or X and the first reploid) are facing off against a Wily threat, it could be as simple as cooperating as they mow down swarms of "lesser" Wily bots... that are still quite lethal to humans!

In a sense, think "Superman", and how sometimes he needs help not for his own sake, but because he just can't do the job as effectively on his own.

[kristofo1]

I've re-read the Dr Cain's Journal and it doesn't say Sigma was the first reploid. See:

THE JOURNAL OF DR. CAIN

April 8th

Still nothing. For the last month, I have been sifting through the dirt trying to find a fossil record which would verify my findings on Mesozoic plant life, but so far I have come up empty. Tomorrow, I'll move my archaeological dig to a new site. Maybe I'll have better luck.

April 9th

Set up camp at the new site and laid out a preliminary gridwork for the dig. I got some odd readings at location E-46. It looks like something metallic is buried several meters below the surface. I think I'll begin there tomorrow.

April 10th

I can't believe what I found! Several meters below the surface was the remains of a lab. Although most of the lab was damaged, I did manage to find papers that indicate that it belonged to the famous robot designer, Dr. Thomas Light. I've begun to review what is left of Dr. Light's notes and it looks like he was onto a major breakthrough. The notes keep referring to "the capsule"...

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April 13th

I found it. Standing 14 meters high and 8 meters wide, the capsule was hidden underneath a collapsed ceiling. Even underneath all the rubble, the capsule has remained intact and was still running some sort of diagnostic when I found it. There is a warning on the capsule, but all the indicators on the capsule show green. It should be safe to open it. I'll know tomorrow.

April 14th

Today I met "X." Not simply a robot, X is something totally different. Light has give him the ability to think and make his own decisions. At times, X seems more like a man than like a machine.

April 15th

Light was a genius! I've been going over his design notes and they are a quantum leap beyond anything the world has ever seen. Using them as a guide, I may be able to replicate his design and integrate them into a new generation of robots. I'll begin transporting X and the rest of Dr. Light's things back to my lab tomorrow.

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November 22nd

With X's help I have completed my first "Reploid." Although I don't completely understand how all of Dr. Light's systems works, I was able to make some minor modifications and the reploid seems to be functioning perfectly. His strength and intelligence seem limitless and he is fully able to make his own decisions. In fact, we got into our first argument. How intriguing!

January 3rd

The new reploids have been running off the assembly line for several weeks. It's amazing how easily they have been able to adapt to even the most difficult jobs. It still is a bit odd to see them working side by side with humans, but everyone seems to be happy to accept them.

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February 16th

Three reploids went "maverick" today and injured two people before they were stopped. This is the third instance of this type of behavior and I still have no idea of what is causing it! There is some talk about stopping the assembly of any more reploids, but I don't think it will happen. Maybe we've become too dependent of them....

The council has now decided to set up a group of "Hunters" to destroy any maverick before it can cause injury. The reploid named Sigma has assigned to lead the Hunters. Sigma is one of the most intelligent reploids I've created and contains my latest circuit designs. His systems should be immune to any problems.

May 16th

It's been two months since Sigma took control of the Maverick Hunters and he and his hunters have been able to prevent any further injury to the population. Everyone is starting to breath a little bit easier....

I am a little worried about X. He seems unsure of his place in life and what Dr. Light had planned for him. But given time, I'm sure he'll find his way....

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June 4th

My worst nightmare has just come true. Sigma went maverick today and took most of the other hunters with him. His motives are unclear, but it seems that he "decided" that humans are inferior and limiting the growth of the Reploids. For that reason, he decided that all humans should be eradicated.

Most of the population is in hiding or trying to flee the city. I'm not sure how long we can hold out against Sigma's forces. I fear I've built the reploids too well.

X is taking the news of the war very personally. He wants to join ZERO, the new leader of the Maverick Hunters, when he goes after Sigma. I'm doubtful of their chances, but I won't stop him. Something has to be done....

[Zan]

I've re-read the Dr Cain's Journal and it doesn't say Sigma was the first reploid.

In regards to the original Reploid, it says: "his strength and intelligence seem limitless", which is a perfect match for Sigma's usual description of having unrivaled strength and intelligence. One source makes this exact comparison, therefore it seems like he's the oldest, even though he isn't. Another source calls him 'first', but in the sense of "best and strongest", rather than time. I'd say it's just one big misconception.

[Quallevra]

Those journal entries are technically bits of pieces taken out of a larger source, if you think about it.  There are plenty of things they don't tell you, because it doesn't include the entry for that day or event (when X actually joined the Hunters; the discovery of Zero; etc.).  Just because it doesn't mention Sigma being the first Reploid created, doesn't mean he isn't.  Of course, nothing apparently proves he is, either.  Maybe it should be considered officially up to interpretation. 

[VileMKII]

The model of that reploid that was the apparent first, was originally featured in X5's ending! The more you know!

megaman.wikia.com/wiki/File:X5Reploids.png



And this ladies and gents, is why I love Archie. Because these small things, make me so vary happy when I catch them.

Mar 1, 2014 3:18:25 GMT nickcider said:

Yes, this sounds a bit confusing however I do believe that according to the Mega Man Knowledge Database, the Archie Comics series has a totally different continuity.

I wouldn't trust much off the MMKB. They have gone so far as to make up dates. I know the wiki here was composed of fact, that can be backed up by source material, by several Members, Zan here being one of them.